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Book 18 - Chapter 37

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<w lemma="%2A%28o">Ὁ</w> <w lemma="de%5C">δὲ</w> <w lemma="%2Ati%2Ftos">Τίτος</w> <w lemma="a%29nadeca%2Fmenos">ἀναδεξάμενος</w> <w lemma="a%29stoxei%3Dn">ἀστοχεῖν</w> <w lemma="au%29to%5Cn">αὐτὸν</w> <w lemma="e%29%2Ffhsen">ἔφησεν</w> <w lemma="ou%29">οὐ</w> <w lemma="mo%2Fnon">μόνον</w> <w lemma="th%3Ds">τῆς</w> <w lemma="%2A%28rwmai%2Fwn">Ῥωμαίων</w> <w lemma="proaire%2Fsews">προαιρέσεως</w>, <w lemma="a%29lla%5C">ἀλλὰ</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="th%3Ds">τῆς</w> <w lemma="au%28tou%3D">αὑτοῦ</w> <w lemma="proqe%2Fsews">προθέσεως</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="ma%2Flista">μάλιστα</w> <w lemma="tou%3D">τοῦ</w> <w lemma="tw%3Dn">τῶν</w> <w lemma="%2A%28ellh%2Fnwn">Ἑλλήνων</w> <w lemma="sumfe%2Frontos">συμφέροντος</w>.
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<w lemma="ou%29%2Fte">οὔτε</w> <w lemma="ga%5Cr">γὰρ</w> <w lemma="%2A%28rwmai%2Fous">Ῥωμαίους</w> <w lemma="ou%29deni%5C">οὐδενὶ</w> <w lemma="to%5C">τὸ</w> <w lemma="prw%3Dton">πρῶτον</w> <w lemma="polemh%2Fsantas">πολεμήσαντας</w> <w lemma="eu%29qe%2Fws">εὐθέως</w> <w lemma="a%29nasta%2Ftous">ἀναστάτους</w> <w lemma="poiei%3Dn">ποιεῖν</w> <w lemma="tou%2Ftous:">τούτους·</w>
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<w lemma="pi%2Fstin">πίστιν</w> <w lemma="d%27">δ᾽</w> <w lemma="e%29%2Fxein">ἔχειν</w> <w lemma="to%5C">τὸ</w> <w lemma="lego%2Fmenon">λεγόμενον</w> <w lemma="e%29%2Fk">ἔκ</w> [<w lemma="te">τε</w>] <w lemma="tw%3Dn">τῶν</w> <w lemma="kat%27">κατ᾽</w> <w lemma="%2A%29anni%2Fban">Ἀννίβαν</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="%2Akarxhdoni%2Fous">Καρχηδονίους</w>, <w lemma="u%28f%27">ὑφ᾽</w> <w lemma="w%28%3Dn">ὧν</w> <w lemma="ta%5C">τὰ</w> <w lemma="deino%2Ftata">δεινότατα</w> <w lemma="paqo%2Fntas">παθόντας</w> <w lemma="%2A%28rwmai%2Fous">Ῥωμαίους</w>, <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="meta%5C">μετὰ</w> <w lemma="tau%3Dta">ταῦτα</w> <w lemma="genome%2Fnous">γενομένους</w> <w lemma="kuri%2Fous">κυρίους</w> <w lemma="o%28%5C">ὃ</w> <w lemma="boulhqei%3Den">βουληθεῖεν</w> <w lemma="pra%3Dcai">πρᾶξαι</w> <w lemma="kat%27">κατ᾽</w> <w lemma="au%29tw%3Dn">αὐτῶν</w> <w lemma="a%28plw%3Ds">ἁπλῶς</w>, <w lemma="ou%29de%5Cn">οὐδὲν</w> <w lemma="a%29nh%2Fkeston">ἀνήκεστον</w> <w lemma="bouleu%2Fsasqai">βουλεύσασθαι</w> <w lemma="peri%5C">περὶ</w> <w lemma="%2Akarxhdoni%2Fwn:">Καρχηδονίων·</w>
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<w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="mh%5Cn">μὴν</w> <w lemma="ou%29d%27">οὐδ᾽</w> <w lemma="au%29to%5Cs">αὐτὸς</w> <w lemma="ou%29de%2Fpote">οὐδέποτε</w> <w lemma="tau%2Fthn">ταύτην</w> <w lemma="e%29sxhke%2Fnai">ἐσχηκέναι</w> <w lemma="th%5Cn">τὴν</w> <w lemma="ai%28%2Fresin">αἵρεσιν</w>, <w lemma="o%28%2Fti">ὅτι</w> <w lemma="dei%3D">δεῖ</w> <w lemma="polemei%3Dn">πολεμεῖν</w> <w lemma="pro%5Cs">πρὸς</w> <w lemma="to%5Cn">τὸν</w> <w lemma="%2Afi%2Flippon">Φίλιππον</w> <w lemma="a%29dialu%2Ftws:">ἀδιαλύτως·</w> <w lemma="a%29ll%27">ἀλλ᾽</w> <w lemma="ei%29%2Fper">εἴπερ</w> <w lemma="e%29boulh%2Fqh">ἐβουλήθη</w> <w lemma="poiei%3Dn">ποιεῖν</w> <w lemma="ta%5C">τὰ</w> <w lemma="parakalou%2Fmena">παρακαλούμενα</w> <w lemma="pro%5C">πρὸ</w> <w lemma="th%3Ds">τῆς</w> <w lemma="ma%2Fxhs">μάχης</w>, <w lemma="e%28toi%2Fmws">ἑτοίμως</w> <w lemma="a%29%5Cn">ἂν</w> <w lemma="dialelu%2Fsqai">διαλελύσθαι</w> <w lemma="pro%5Cs">πρὸς</w> <w lemma="au%29to%2Fn">αὐτόν</w>.
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<w lemma="dio%5C">διὸ</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="qauma%2Fzein">θαυμάζειν</w> <w lemma="e%29%2Ffh">ἔφη</w> <w lemma="pw%3Ds">πῶς</w> <w lemma="mete%2Fxontes">μετέχοντες</w> <w lemma="to%2Fte">τότε</w> <w lemma="tw%3Dn">τῶν</w> <w lemma="peri%5C">περὶ</w> <w lemma="th%3Ds">τῆς</w> <w lemma="dialu%2Fsews">διαλύσεως</w> <w lemma="sullo%2Fgwn">συλλόγων</w> <w lemma="a%28%2Fpantes">ἅπαντες</w> <w lemma="nu%3Dn">νῦν</w> <w lemma="a%29katalla%2Fktws">ἀκαταλλάκτως</w> <w lemma="e%29%2Fxousin">ἔχουσιν</w>.
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"<w lemma="h%29%5C">ἢ</w> <w lemma="dh%3Dlon">δῆλον</w> <w lemma="o%28%2Fti">ὅτι</w> <w lemma="nenikh%2Fkamen">νενικήκαμεν</w>; <w lemma="a%29lla%5C">ἀλλὰ</w> <w lemma="tou%3Dto%2F">τοῦτό</w> <w lemma="g%27">γ᾽</w> <w lemma="e%29sti%5C">ἐστὶ</w> <w lemma="pa%2Fntwn">πάντων</w> <w lemma="a%29gnwmone%2Fstaton:">ἀγνωμονέστατον·</w>
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<w lemma="polemou%3Dntas">πολεμοῦντας</w> <w lemma="ga%5Cr">γὰρ</w> <w lemma="dei%3D">δεῖ</w> <w lemma="tou%5Cs">τοὺς</w> <w lemma="a%29gaqou%5Cs">ἀγαθοὺς</w> <w lemma="a%29%2Fndras">ἄνδρας</w> <w lemma="barei%3Ds">βαρεῖς</w> <w lemma="ei%29%3Dnai">εἶναι</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="qumikou%2Fs">θυμικούς</w>, <w lemma="h%28ttwme%2Fnous">ἡττωμένους</w> <w lemma="de%5C">δὲ</w> <w lemma="gennai%2Fous">γενναίους</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="megalo%2Ffronas">μεγαλόφρονας</w>, <w lemma="nikw%3Dnta%2Fs">νικῶντάς</w> <w lemma="ge">γε</w> <w lemma="mh%5Cn">μὴν</w> <w lemma="metri%2Fous">μετρίους</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="praei%3Ds">πραεῖς</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="filanqrw%2Fpous">φιλανθρώπους</w>. <w lemma="u%28mei%3Ds">ὑμεῖς</w> <w lemma="de%5C">δὲ</w> <w lemma="ta%29nanti%2Fa">τἀναντία</w> <w lemma="parakalei%3Dte">παρακαλεῖτε</w> <w lemma="nu%3Dn">νῦν</w>.
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<w lemma="a%29lla%5C">ἀλλὰ</w> <w lemma="mh%5Cn">μὴν</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="toi%3Ds">τοῖς</w> <w lemma="%2A%28%2Fellhsi">Ἕλλησι</w> <w lemma="tapeinwqh%3Dnai">ταπεινωθῆναι</w> <w lemma="me%5Cn">μὲν</w> <w lemma="e%29pi%5C">ἐπὶ</w> <w lemma="polu%5C">πολὺ</w> <w lemma="sumfe%2Frei">συμφέρει</w> <w lemma="th%5Cn">τὴν</w> <w lemma="%2Amakedo%2Fnwn">Μακεδόνων</w> <w lemma="a%29rxh%2Fn">ἀρχήν</w>, <w lemma="a%29rqh%3Dnai%2F">ἀρθῆναί</w> <w lemma="ge">γε</w> <w lemma="mh%5Cn">μὴν</w> <w lemma="ou%29damw%3Ds">οὐδαμῶς</w>"
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. <w lemma="ta%2Fxa">τάχα</w> <w lemma="ga%5Cr">γὰρ</w> <w lemma="au%29tou%5Cs">αὐτοὺς</w> <w lemma="pei%3Dran">πεῖραν</w> <w lemma="lh%2Fyesqai">λήψεσθαι</w> <w lemma="th%3Ds">τῆς</w> <w lemma="%2Aqra%7Ckw%3Dn">Θρᾳκῶν</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="%2Agalatw%3Dn">Γαλατῶν</w> <w lemma="paranomi%2Fas:">παρανομίας·</w> <w lemma="tou%3Dto">τοῦτο</w> <w lemma="ga%5Cr">γὰρ</w> <w lemma="h%29%2Fdh">ἤδη</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="pleona%2Fkis">πλεονάκις</w> <w lemma="gegone%2Fnai">γεγονέναι</w>.
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<w lemma="kaqo%2Flou">καθόλου</w> <w lemma="d%27">δ᾽</w> <w lemma="au%29to%5Cs">αὐτὸς</w> <w lemma="me%5Cn">μὲν</w> <w lemma="e%29%2Ffh">ἔφη</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="tou%5Cs">τοὺς</w> <w lemma="paro%2Fntas">παρόντας</w> <w lemma="%2A%28rwmai%2Fwn">Ῥωμαίων</w> <w lemma="kri%2Fnein">κρίνειν</w>, <w lemma="e%29a%5Cn">ἐὰν</w> <w lemma="%2Afi%2Flippos">Φίλιππος</w> <w lemma="u%28pome%2Fnh%7C">ὑπομένῃ</w> <w lemma="pa%2Fnta">πάντα</w> <w lemma="poiei%3Dn">ποιεῖν</w> <w lemma="ta%5C">τὰ</w> <w lemma="pro%2Fteron">πρότερον</w> <w lemma="u%28po%5C">ὑπὸ</w> <w lemma="tw%3Dn">τῶν</w> <w lemma="summa%2Fxwn">συμμάχων</w> <w lemma="e%29pitatto%2Fmena">ἐπιταττόμενα</w>, <w lemma="dido%2Fnai">διδόναι</w> <w lemma="th%5Cn">τὴν</w> <w lemma="ei%29rh%2Fnhn">εἰρήνην</w> <w lemma="au%29tw%3D%7C">αὐτῷ</w>, <w lemma="proslabo%2Fntas">προσλαβόντας</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="th%5Cn">τὴν</w> <w lemma="th%3Ds">τῆς</w> <w lemma="sugklh%2Ftou">συγκλήτου</w> <w lemma="gnw%2Fmhn:">γνώμην·</w> <w lemma="%2Aai%29twlou%5Cs">Αἰτωλοὺς</w> <w lemma="de%5C">δὲ</w> <w lemma="kuri%2Fous">κυρίους</w> <w lemma="ei%29%3Dnai">εἶναι</w> <w lemma="bouleuome%2Fnous">βουλευομένους</w> <w lemma="u%28pe%5Cr">ὑπὲρ</w> <w lemma="sfw%3Dn">σφῶν</w> <w lemma="au%29tw%3Dn">αὐτῶν</w>.
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<w lemma="tou%3D">τοῦ</w> <w lemma="de%5C">δὲ</w> <w lemma="%2Afaine%2Fou">Φαινέου</w> <w lemma="meta%5C">μετὰ</w> <w lemma="tau%3Dta">ταῦτα</w> <w lemma="boulome%2Fnou">βουλομένου</w> <w lemma="le%2Fgein">λέγειν</w> <w lemma="o%28%2Fti">ὅτι</w> <w lemma="ma%2Ftaia">μάταια</w> <w lemma="pa%2Fnta">πάντα</w> <w lemma="ta%5C">τὰ</w> <w lemma="pro%5C">πρὸ</w> <w lemma="tou%3D">τοῦ</w> <w lemma="ge%2Fgone:">γέγονε·</w> <w lemma="to%5Cn">τὸν</w> <w lemma="ga%5Cr">γὰρ</w> <w lemma="%2Afi%2Flippon">Φίλιππον</w>, <w lemma="e%29a%5Cn">ἐὰν</w> <w lemma="dioli%2Fsqh%7C">διολίσθῃ</w> <w lemma="to%5Cn">τὸν</w> <w lemma="paro%2Fnta">παρόντα</w> <w lemma="kairo%2Fn">καιρόν</w>, <w lemma="h%29%2Fdh">ἤδη</w> <w lemma="pa%2Flin">πάλιν</w> <w lemma="a%29rxh%5Cn">ἀρχὴν</w> <w lemma="a%29%2Fllhn">ἄλλην</w> <w lemma="poih%2Fsesqai">ποιήσεσθαι</w> <w lemma="pragma%2Ftwn:">πραγμάτων·</w>
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<w lemma="o%28">ὁ</w> <w lemma="%2Ati%2Ftos">Τίτος</w> <w lemma="au%29to%2Fqen">αὐτόθεν</w> <w lemma="e%29c">ἐξ</w> <w lemma="e%28%2Fdras">ἕδρας</w> <w lemma="kai%5C">καὶ</w> <w lemma="qumikw%3Ds">θυμικῶς</w> "<w lemma="%2Apau%3Dsai">Παῦσαι</w>" <w lemma="fhsi%5C">φησὶ</w> "<w lemma="%2Afaine%2Fa">Φαινέα</w>, <w lemma="lhrw%3Dn:">ληρῶν·</w> <w lemma="e%29gw%5C">ἐγὼ</w> <w lemma="ga%5Cr">γὰρ</w> <w lemma="ou%28%2Ftws">οὕτως</w> <w lemma="xeiriw%3D">χειριῶ</w> <w lemma="ta%5Cs">τὰς</w> <w lemma="dialu%2Fseis">διαλύσεις</w> <w lemma="w%28%2Fste">ὥστε</w> <w lemma="mhde%5C">μηδὲ</w> <w lemma="boulhqe%2Fnta">βουληθέντα</w> <w lemma="to%5Cn">τὸν</w> <w lemma="%2Afi%2Flippon">Φίλιππον</w> <w lemma="a%29dikei%3Dn">ἀδικεῖν</w> <w lemma="du%2Fnasqai">δύνασθαι</w> <w lemma="tou%5Cs">τοὺς</w> <w lemma="%2A%28%2Fellhnas">Ἕλληνας</w>."
<head>Debate In the Congress At Tempe</head>Flamininus here took up the argument, and said that<note anchored="yes" place="marg" id="note74">Reply of Flamininus.</note>"Alexander was mistaken not only as to the policy of <a class="linkToPlace" target="_blank" href="/place?placename=Rome&groupId=935&placeId=1669">Rome</a>, but also as to the object which he proposed to himself, and above all as to the true interests of Greece. For it was not the Roman way to utterly destroy those with whom they had been at open war. A proof of his assertion might be found in the war with Hannibal and the Carthaginians; for though the Romans had received the severest provocation at their hands, and afterwards had it in their power to do absolutely what they pleased to them, yet they had adopted no extreme measures against the Carthaginians. For his part, moreover, he had never entertained the idea that it was necessary to wage an inexpiable war with Philip; but on the contrary had been prepared before the battle to come to terms with him, if he would have submitted to the Roman demands. He was surprised, therefore, that those who had taken part in the former peace conference should now adopt a tone of such irreconcilable hostility. Have we not conquered? (say they). Yes, but this is the most senseless of arguments. For brave men, when actually at war, should be terrible and full of fire; when beaten, undaunted and courageous; when victorious, on the other hand, moderate, placable, and humane. But your present advice is the reverse of all this. Yet, in truth, to the Greeks themselves it is greatly to their interest that <a class="linkToPlace" target="_blank" href="/place?placename=Macedonia&groupId=723&placeId=428">Macedonia</a> should be humbled, but not at all so that she should be destroyed. For it might chance thereby that they would experience the barbarity of Thracians and Gauls, as has been the case more than once already." He then added that" the final decision of himself and Roman colleagues was, that, if Philip would consent to fulfil all the conditions formerly enjoined by the allies, they would grant him peace, subject, of course, to the approval of the Senate: and that the Aetolians were free to take what measures they chose for themselves." Upon Phaeneas attempting to reply that "Everything done hitherto went for nothing; for if Philip managed to extricate himself from his present difficulties, he would at once find some other occasion for hostilities,"—Flamininus sprang<pb n="235" />at once from his seat, and said, with some heat, "Cease this trifling, Phaeneas! For I will so settle the terms of the peace that Philip will be unable, even if he wished it, to molest the Greeks."